The Gregorian Chant Advent Concert is planned for Sunday, Dec 14 at 4 PM. Location: Sacred Heart Church, corner of Twiggs St. and Florida Avenue in downtown Tampa. Donations expected. This is an open to the public event with a sung mass from the 11th/12th Centuries. More info at www.FloridaProMusica.com
After the Chant (probably 6 PM) - Holiday Get Together at a new location called CORK at 406 South Howard Avenue in Tampa. This new restaurant/wine bar just opened this week. It is immediately across the street from MacDintons and has the same owners. They have generously offered to provide us with a selection of complimentary appetizers, but I need to let them know how many participants we expect. SO, please email me if you plan to attend.
Everyone is welcome to attend both events. Just Please RSVP to me as soon as possible for the Holiday Get Together.
bill@tampaghostwatchers.com
Tuesday, December 9, 2008
Tuesday, December 2, 2008
EVPs Digital vs Analog
I always run a few analog recorders and a digital. As mentioned at Cedar Key, the way a digital recorder works is with Voice recognition software. Your digital recorder reads what it thought it heard and then in prints a digital sound signal. Much like when talking to the phone company automated signal many times it didn't get it right. They are programmed to hear and play only in the actual frequency range of a human voice. Many times the cheaper ones will pick up sounds not in the programmed range and play them back with the only software it has available. This software recreates the sound as an in the room type volume. So a whisper across the street from the house you are investigating could in actuality play back as yelling in the room you are standing in.
Analog works with sound ions in printing through magnetic heads onto tape. If the sound is not clear it may records garbled but it wont take it upon its self to INVENT words as a digital will.
I have been running two recorders together for the past few investigations. What I have found is that my digital recorder makes up a lot more then I thought it did. A person might say " I left it in the refrigerator "and the digital might play it back as "I want some cheese". In the beginning of using digital recorders I thought, I know no one said that! So it must be paranormal. Now that I have researched how recorders work I realized this wasn't paranormal but digital recognition software gone a rye.
Now don't throw away your digital recorders. Digital recorders, because of the possibility of hearing something not in the human frequency range and having to print it out in a human frequency range can be great for understanding some of what the paranormal whispers are actually saying. Of coarse its just a digital software guess but at least its some hint to what could be being said.
As a paranormal investigator debunking is an important part of the job. Before I play a recording for a client that says "GET OUT OR I'LL KILL YOU" I want to make sure its not a fellow investigator saying "is it raining out side". If you should get a recording like that and its not backed up on a analog recorder this doesn't mean that it wasn't paranormal. It just means perhaps we should schedule another investigation sooner then we thought...
Analog works with sound ions in printing through magnetic heads onto tape. If the sound is not clear it may records garbled but it wont take it upon its self to INVENT words as a digital will.
I have been running two recorders together for the past few investigations. What I have found is that my digital recorder makes up a lot more then I thought it did. A person might say " I left it in the refrigerator "and the digital might play it back as "I want some cheese". In the beginning of using digital recorders I thought, I know no one said that! So it must be paranormal. Now that I have researched how recorders work I realized this wasn't paranormal but digital recognition software gone a rye.
Now don't throw away your digital recorders. Digital recorders, because of the possibility of hearing something not in the human frequency range and having to print it out in a human frequency range can be great for understanding some of what the paranormal whispers are actually saying. Of coarse its just a digital software guess but at least its some hint to what could be being said.
As a paranormal investigator debunking is an important part of the job. Before I play a recording for a client that says "GET OUT OR I'LL KILL YOU" I want to make sure its not a fellow investigator saying "is it raining out side". If you should get a recording like that and its not backed up on a analog recorder this doesn't mean that it wasn't paranormal. It just means perhaps we should schedule another investigation sooner then we thought...
Friday, November 28, 2008
Trelles Clinic Investigation
NOTE: The Planned Campout at Red Hawk Ranch on Dec 13 and 14 has been Cancelled. Watch for a rescheduled date soon.
However, the Gregorian Chant Advent Concert is still planned for Sunday, Dec 14 at 4 PM. Location: Sacred Heart Church, corner of Twiggs St. and Florida Avenue in downtown Tampa. Donations expected.
After event get together at MacDinton's Irish Pub at S. Howard and Azeele.
TRELLES CLINIC INVESTIGATION Sunday, Nov 30
Special thanks to Fred with the former Trelles Clinic and Carrie with MC Film for getting us access to this unique, historic location.
You are invited to participate in an investigation of the former Trelles Clinic in Ybor City on Sunday, Nov. 30.
Location: 1508 8th Ave.
We will meet at Streetcar Charlies Restaurant and Bar at 6 PM and enter the Clinic across the street at 7 PM.
Streetcar Charlies is at 8th and 15th.
You can get more info about the clinic and Dr. Pacheco by entering a search on Google.
Please RSVP your attendance by emailing me at bill@tampagold.com.
Depending on number of participants, we may have different teams entering at different times.
No cost to attend, however, you must be a member of Tampa Ghost Watchers to attend.
However, the Gregorian Chant Advent Concert is still planned for Sunday, Dec 14 at 4 PM. Location: Sacred Heart Church, corner of Twiggs St. and Florida Avenue in downtown Tampa. Donations expected.
After event get together at MacDinton's Irish Pub at S. Howard and Azeele.
TRELLES CLINIC INVESTIGATION Sunday, Nov 30
Special thanks to Fred with the former Trelles Clinic and Carrie with MC Film for getting us access to this unique, historic location.
You are invited to participate in an investigation of the former Trelles Clinic in Ybor City on Sunday, Nov. 30.
Location: 1508 8th Ave.
We will meet at Streetcar Charlies Restaurant and Bar at 6 PM and enter the Clinic across the street at 7 PM.
Streetcar Charlies is at 8th and 15th.
You can get more info about the clinic and Dr. Pacheco by entering a search on Google.
Please RSVP your attendance by emailing me at bill@tampagold.com.
Depending on number of participants, we may have different teams entering at different times.
No cost to attend, however, you must be a member of Tampa Ghost Watchers to attend.
Monday, November 24, 2008
Lots of Events this Past Year
Someone recently sent me an email saying: "Doesn't look like your group has been active since 2007."
Where the hell did you get that idea ?
In the last 90 days we held a conference in Ybor City with a large and diverse group of speakers. The event was covered by 4 newspapers and two tv stations. camped out in Wimauma at Red Hawk Ranch and enjoyed a very spiritual Native American Sunset Ceremony. We had a cemetary walk at Oaklawn in conjunction with the Tampa Historical Society.
We have held a few meetings and conducted quite a few small investigations.
In 2008 we booked the entire Island Hotel in Cedar Key, took 8 people to Lillydale in NewYork and to Nigagara Falls with investigations of 3 forts, and a lot more.
We went to Cassadaga, investigated an old fire house, and scores more.
Tampa Ghost Watchers is the largest paranormal investigation team in Florida and quite possibly in the country. We welcome everyone's participation.
BUT it is up to you to take the moment to add your email address to our FREE email list so that you are kept informed of our events.
You can add your name to our email list here
Where the hell did you get that idea ?
In the last 90 days we held a conference in Ybor City with a large and diverse group of speakers. The event was covered by 4 newspapers and two tv stations. camped out in Wimauma at Red Hawk Ranch and enjoyed a very spiritual Native American Sunset Ceremony. We had a cemetary walk at Oaklawn in conjunction with the Tampa Historical Society.
We have held a few meetings and conducted quite a few small investigations.
In 2008 we booked the entire Island Hotel in Cedar Key, took 8 people to Lillydale in NewYork and to Nigagara Falls with investigations of 3 forts, and a lot more.
We went to Cassadaga, investigated an old fire house, and scores more.
Tampa Ghost Watchers is the largest paranormal investigation team in Florida and quite possibly in the country. We welcome everyone's participation.
BUT it is up to you to take the moment to add your email address to our FREE email list so that you are kept informed of our events.
You can add your name to our email list here
Friday, November 7, 2008
Next Meeting Announced
Next Meeting will be Sunday, Nov. 16 at 6 PM. Current Plans are for the meeting to be at the Tampa Marketing Company Offices at 1906 N. Armenia Ave. #207, Tampa, FL 33607, while the time is firm there is a chance we will be changing the location. Please watch for a later email or watch this blog for a possible change in locations.
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TSHIRTS - I am about to order some new t-shirts. Any member that I owe a shirt to, please send me a reminder with a size request. Any potential members - this is the time to join as I am ordering shirts. Join here
I will also be ordering some Dark Smoke Gray long sleeve tshirts. If you would like to order one I need to know size wanted prior to MONDAY, Nov. 10 - 2 PM. Cost is $15 each. This is a one time chance to order these long sleeve shirts.
Let me know asap.
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GETTYSBURG !
We have reserved one of the most haunted locations in all of Gettysburg for Memorial Day Weekend.
May 22 - May 25. Total cost per person including a shared room, three private
investigations, tours, reception, one night dinner and ground transporation, cost will be $575 per person.
$200 deposit per room (for two people) needed asap. Limited to 8 total rooms, 16 participants.
PLEASE NOTE: there are NO single beds available.
Please indicate your room partner.
If interested in sharing a room please let me know so we can possibly match you with someone else.
First to pay deposits will have their space held.
ONLY 4 ROOMS REMAIN AT THIS TIME !
$475 per person
Balance due March 1, 2009 .
Airfare to Baltimore will be approximately $225.
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TSHIRTS - I am about to order some new t-shirts. Any member that I owe a shirt to, please send me a reminder with a size request. Any potential members - this is the time to join as I am ordering shirts. Join here
I will also be ordering some Dark Smoke Gray long sleeve tshirts. If you would like to order one I need to know size wanted prior to MONDAY, Nov. 10 - 2 PM. Cost is $15 each. This is a one time chance to order these long sleeve shirts.
Let me know asap.
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GETTYSBURG !
We have reserved one of the most haunted locations in all of Gettysburg for Memorial Day Weekend.
May 22 - May 25. Total cost per person including a shared room, three private
investigations, tours, reception, one night dinner and ground transporation, cost will be $575 per person.
$200 deposit per room (for two people) needed asap. Limited to 8 total rooms, 16 participants.
PLEASE NOTE: there are NO single beds available.
Please indicate your room partner.
If interested in sharing a room please let me know so we can possibly match you with someone else.
First to pay deposits will have their space held.
ONLY 4 ROOMS REMAIN AT THIS TIME !
$475 per person
Balance due March 1, 2009 .
Airfare to Baltimore will be approximately $225.
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
GOTHIC GRAVEYARD WALK - Sunday, Oct 26 - 3:30 PM
GOTHIC GRAVEYARD WALK AND TAMPA GHOST WATCHERS MEETING
Celebrate Halloween with friends -
New, Old, and Dead at
Oaklawn Cemetery, founded 1850
Morgan and Harrison Streets
(Downtown Tampa)
Join historian/actor Maureen Patrick
for a guided stroll through Tampa’s first public burying ground, where history is often amusing and
frequently bizarre.
3:30 – 4:30 p.m.
Sunday, October 26, 2008
Ms. Patrick will appear in elaborate Mourning Attire as
Miss Prudence Fipwhistle (born 1855 – died 1899)
To reach Oaklawn, take I-275 South to Downtown East-West (Jefferson St.) exit. Stay far right at bottom of ramp. Go straight at signal; cemetery on right. Parking adjacent.
$5 donation requested at tour’s end
benefits Tampa Historical Society, Inc.
TAMPA GHOST WATCHERS WILL HOLD A BRIEF MEETING AT OAKLAWN IMMEDIATLY FOLLOWING THE WALK.
Wednesday, October 1, 2008
Campout at Wimauma Sat, Oct 11 and Oct 12
Claire's group has been conducting an investigation at the Red Hawk Ranch. The owners have extended to us a great invitation. This is a FREE event. However, please bring food and drink as you need.
If you have never participated in a Native American Circle at Sunset you have missed a lot. If you cannot or select not to campout, that is ok, plan to arrive about 5 PM and bring a dish for a covered dish event that will last until approximately 9 PM. Thanks, Bill
RSVP to Claire at financlaire@verizon.net Please be sure to let her know if you are coming to the Spirit Circle or if you plan to campout.
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FROM BRAD and BRENDA:
WE ARE OFFERING AN OPEN INVITATION TO TAMPA GHOST WATCHERS TO JOIN US HERE ON REDHAWK RANCH ON SATURDAY OCT. 11TH FOR A WEEK-END RETREAT.
OUR GATES WILL BE OPEN AT 8 AM SATURDAY MORNING SO THAT YOU MAY COME EARLY AND ENJOY THE WHOLE DAY HERE. BRING YOUR TENTS - CAMPING EQUIPMENT - CAMERAS - ENOUGH FOOD AND DRINKS FOR YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE VERY WELCOME.
WE ARE ON 18 BEAUTIFUL ACRES IN A PARK LIKE SETTING AND WE HAVE A SPRING FED CREEK WITH SMALL WATERFALLS THAT RUN THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE PICNIC TABLES - 8 FT. PORCH SWINGS HANGING FROM THE ANCIENT OAKS - A DELUXE WOODEN OUTHOUSE - A SHOWER HOUSE - A LIGHTED PICNIC AREA W/3 CHARCOAL GRILLS - HORSE SHOES - KNIFE AND AXE THROWING - MUSIC -
AND AT DUSK WE WILL HAVE SACRED NATIVE AMERICAN CIRCLE FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE. THE CIRCLE IS: BEING SAGED & BLESSED UPON ENTERING THE CIRCLE TO REMOVE ANY NEGATIVE ENERGY. YOU MAY BRING A BLANKET OR BAG CHAIR TO SIT ON IN THE CIRCLE. WE BRING IN THE 4 DIRECTIONS AND BLESS FATHER SKY AND MOTHER EARTH - WE HAVE A PRAYER - SONGS - STORIES TO SHARE AND JUST HONORING THE ANCESTORS THAT HAVE GONE BEFORE US. BRING YOUR INVESTIGATION EQUIPMENT AND WE THINK YOU WILL BE AMAZED. THE 11TH IS 2 DAYS BEFORE THE FULL MOON, SO IT WILL BE A GREAT NIGHT FOR CAMERAS. THIS IS OUR HOME AND ALL ARE WELCOME TO EXPLORE THE ENTIRE 18 ACRES AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO FEES, BUT WE ARE ASKING THAT OUR HOME BE OFF LIMITS BECAUSE OF OUR 2 PRECIOUS TINY DOGS INSIDE.
YOU MAY PITCH YOUR TENTS ALONG THE CREEK OR ANY SPOT THAT SUITS YOU. YOU MAY DRIVE OVER TO THE CAMPGROUND AREA TO UNLOAD YOUR VEHICLE AND WE ASK YOU TO THEN PLEASE PARK OVER BY THE BARN TO KEEP THE AREA CLEAR FOR BEAUTY AND GREAT ENERGY. PLEASE COME JOIN US FOR A WONDERFUL TRIP BACK IN TIME WHERE THE SKY IS SO CLEAR AND WITH NATURE AND LIFE ALL AROUND US. THE SOUNDS AT NIGHT ARE WONDEROUS. WADO .....(THANK YOU ) BUD & BRENDA HOSHAW
4110 CR579 S WIMAUMA, FL. 33598
813-634-5352
WE ARE JUST MINUTES EAST OF SUN CITY & WILL HAVE SIGNS TO HELP GUIDE YOU.
Please let Claire know ASAP if you have an interest in attending. Due to a prior commitment I will arrive late on Saturday.
Thanks to Claire for arranging this and especially to Bud and Brenda for the hospitality.
Bill
If you have never participated in a Native American Circle at Sunset you have missed a lot. If you cannot or select not to campout, that is ok, plan to arrive about 5 PM and bring a dish for a covered dish event that will last until approximately 9 PM. Thanks, Bill
RSVP to Claire at financlaire@verizon.net Please be sure to let her know if you are coming to the Spirit Circle or if you plan to campout.
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FROM BRAD and BRENDA:
WE ARE OFFERING AN OPEN INVITATION TO TAMPA GHOST WATCHERS TO JOIN US HERE ON REDHAWK RANCH ON SATURDAY OCT. 11TH FOR A WEEK-END RETREAT.
OUR GATES WILL BE OPEN AT 8 AM SATURDAY MORNING SO THAT YOU MAY COME EARLY AND ENJOY THE WHOLE DAY HERE. BRING YOUR TENTS - CAMPING EQUIPMENT - CAMERAS - ENOUGH FOOD AND DRINKS FOR YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE VERY WELCOME.
WE ARE ON 18 BEAUTIFUL ACRES IN A PARK LIKE SETTING AND WE HAVE A SPRING FED CREEK WITH SMALL WATERFALLS THAT RUN THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE PICNIC TABLES - 8 FT. PORCH SWINGS HANGING FROM THE ANCIENT OAKS - A DELUXE WOODEN OUTHOUSE - A SHOWER HOUSE - A LIGHTED PICNIC AREA W/3 CHARCOAL GRILLS - HORSE SHOES - KNIFE AND AXE THROWING - MUSIC -
AND AT DUSK WE WILL HAVE SACRED NATIVE AMERICAN CIRCLE FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE. THE CIRCLE IS: BEING SAGED & BLESSED UPON ENTERING THE CIRCLE TO REMOVE ANY NEGATIVE ENERGY. YOU MAY BRING A BLANKET OR BAG CHAIR TO SIT ON IN THE CIRCLE. WE BRING IN THE 4 DIRECTIONS AND BLESS FATHER SKY AND MOTHER EARTH - WE HAVE A PRAYER - SONGS - STORIES TO SHARE AND JUST HONORING THE ANCESTORS THAT HAVE GONE BEFORE US. BRING YOUR INVESTIGATION EQUIPMENT AND WE THINK YOU WILL BE AMAZED. THE 11TH IS 2 DAYS BEFORE THE FULL MOON, SO IT WILL BE A GREAT NIGHT FOR CAMERAS. THIS IS OUR HOME AND ALL ARE WELCOME TO EXPLORE THE ENTIRE 18 ACRES AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO FEES, BUT WE ARE ASKING THAT OUR HOME BE OFF LIMITS BECAUSE OF OUR 2 PRECIOUS TINY DOGS INSIDE.
YOU MAY PITCH YOUR TENTS ALONG THE CREEK OR ANY SPOT THAT SUITS YOU. YOU MAY DRIVE OVER TO THE CAMPGROUND AREA TO UNLOAD YOUR VEHICLE AND WE ASK YOU TO THEN PLEASE PARK OVER BY THE BARN TO KEEP THE AREA CLEAR FOR BEAUTY AND GREAT ENERGY. PLEASE COME JOIN US FOR A WONDERFUL TRIP BACK IN TIME WHERE THE SKY IS SO CLEAR AND WITH NATURE AND LIFE ALL AROUND US. THE SOUNDS AT NIGHT ARE WONDEROUS. WADO .....(THANK YOU ) BUD & BRENDA HOSHAW
4110 CR579 S WIMAUMA, FL. 33598
813-634-5352
WE ARE JUST MINUTES EAST OF SUN CITY & WILL HAVE SIGNS TO HELP GUIDE YOU.
Please let Claire know ASAP if you have an interest in attending. Due to a prior commitment I will arrive late on Saturday.
Thanks to Claire for arranging this and especially to Bud and Brenda for the hospitality.
Bill
Sunday, September 7, 2008
Next Meeting: Sunday, Sept 21 - Time to Be Announced
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR FOR THIS DATE. Watch for more details here soon.
Sunday, Sept 21
We had an afternoon picnic just over a month ago, and are considering doint it again, please give us your thoughts.
Members, Guests, and Interested Others are Welcome to Attend !
Sunday, Sept 21
We had an afternoon picnic just over a month ago, and are considering doint it again, please give us your thoughts.
Members, Guests, and Interested Others are Welcome to Attend !
Ybor City Paranormal Conference
Saturday, August 9, 2008
Sunday, August 3, 2008
Tap Con
Tap-con was disorganized but we knew it was going to be before we went. There were good friends, great speakers and it was a wonderful experience to meet 500 other paranormal investigators. It was great hearing all their experiences and listening to their different theories. We traded business cards like a game of "Go Fish", and I hope to see those faces again at our events. It was great having such a sharing and learning experience with fellow Tampa Ghost Watcher members at my side. I would like to thank, Debbie, Angela, Cathy, Mike, Linda, Jamie, Bill, Claire, Jose, Rosemary, Nancy for sharing the experience and making it more wonderful for me.
We had some fun experiences with Robert the doll. I forgot to ask permission to do EVPs with him and to my dismay that whole section of tape was blank. I wont forget again! My lesson in manners I guess. Debbie had a playful experience with something messing with her recorders. Her digital recorder was missing upon arrival, returned to the top of her purse that last day we were there. When we went to Bills room for a small get together, Debbie's microphone on her analog recorder was destroyed, pulled off the wire completely. We searched the room to find no sign of even the smallest piece of it laying around. On another occation we searched the room for Debbie's glasses, walking in and out of the room to get ice I was surprised to find her glasses neatly set out side our door upon my return, where I would have to have step on them to enter and exit the room. Perhaps it was a playful spirt, perhaps it was menopause, but we enjoyed the experiance. Linda and I both experience being physically touched by something the basement. We were not in the same group which made it more significant that it was in the same area. I was sad that Denise couldn't make it due to Tom's illness. Sending Denise and Tom big Huggs and prayers. Get well soon WE NEED YOU BACK!!!
I agree that it was poorly run by Tapcon but I have to say that the people around us made it all worth the cost. The actual Taps group did everything possible to make up for the mess that Tapcon made out of their reputation. Would I do it again? No! I think I would rather spend my money on some of the Tampa Ghost Watcher excursions which have the same people experiences but don't have the chaos and confusion brought about by poor management. As for the Biltmore (White Queen of the Gulf) she holds my heart and if I had to sleep in a toilet I would and will return.
P.S. I went to experience the spirits, not to stay in a luxury hotel. I have to say our room was clean and nice, what we saw of it. I understand the hotel was over booked and probably rented rooms not usually in service. But I think overall the hotel staff went above and beyond to keep things together and shouldn't be condemned for one maid that didn't do her job. The Biltmore is scheduled for a complete renovation. Probably because its a very old building with many structural problems. But old buildings are where ghosts tend to hang out and I would have slept in the Leakey cellar if they would have let me.
We had some fun experiences with Robert the doll. I forgot to ask permission to do EVPs with him and to my dismay that whole section of tape was blank. I wont forget again! My lesson in manners I guess. Debbie had a playful experience with something messing with her recorders. Her digital recorder was missing upon arrival, returned to the top of her purse that last day we were there. When we went to Bills room for a small get together, Debbie's microphone on her analog recorder was destroyed, pulled off the wire completely. We searched the room to find no sign of even the smallest piece of it laying around. On another occation we searched the room for Debbie's glasses, walking in and out of the room to get ice I was surprised to find her glasses neatly set out side our door upon my return, where I would have to have step on them to enter and exit the room. Perhaps it was a playful spirt, perhaps it was menopause, but we enjoyed the experiance. Linda and I both experience being physically touched by something the basement. We were not in the same group which made it more significant that it was in the same area. I was sad that Denise couldn't make it due to Tom's illness. Sending Denise and Tom big Huggs and prayers. Get well soon WE NEED YOU BACK!!!
I agree that it was poorly run by Tapcon but I have to say that the people around us made it all worth the cost. The actual Taps group did everything possible to make up for the mess that Tapcon made out of their reputation. Would I do it again? No! I think I would rather spend my money on some of the Tampa Ghost Watcher excursions which have the same people experiences but don't have the chaos and confusion brought about by poor management. As for the Biltmore (White Queen of the Gulf) she holds my heart and if I had to sleep in a toilet I would and will return.
P.S. I went to experience the spirits, not to stay in a luxury hotel. I have to say our room was clean and nice, what we saw of it. I understand the hotel was over booked and probably rented rooms not usually in service. But I think overall the hotel staff went above and beyond to keep things together and shouldn't be condemned for one maid that didn't do her job. The Biltmore is scheduled for a complete renovation. Probably because its a very old building with many structural problems. But old buildings are where ghosts tend to hang out and I would have slept in the Leakey cellar if they would have let me.
Tuesday, July 22, 2008
TAPSCON
I will be publishing an article about Tapscon soon. Will provide a link here when it is posted.
Monday, July 21, 2008
Taps CON
Any comments about Taps CON? I will simply just say that it could have been better organized and my room had to be the nastiest room in the entire hotel. Rusty water, pubic hair all over the bathroom floot, mold in the bathroom, 2 inch gap in the window sill allowing mosquitoes in at night, lipstick on 3 or the 4 cups. This did not make a good impression. Actually, we checked out Saturday morning. While the history might be nice and the downstairs is nice, my room seriously lacked attention. Old is one thing....dirty is completely unacceptable!!!!!!!!! I can definately say I will NEVER stay at the Biltmore again and won't recommend it to anyone. We spoke with about 15 other people who had the same complaint so it was obviously just not us. Oh, I forgot to mention the exposed wires and mold on the ceiling in the corridor just down from us. Yes, I took photos of this in case someone doubted me. I just wanted to share my experience.
Friday, July 11, 2008
GHOSTLY COOKOUT - Sunday, July 13
WOW WHAT A RESPONSE !
We have about 40 people planning to attend.
Our current needs are for some more food items.
Due to response, have change our start time to 4 PM. Park Closes at Dark.
When: Sunday, July 13 from 4 PM - Sunset.
Where: Phillippe Park in Safety Harbor.
How Much: FREE Event
More details here soon.
Get park directions here
List of people and planned items are here:
AnnaMarie - Chocolate cake, nustard and cups
Susan S and Bob -
Ron @ Sharon - plates & silverware
Julie F and Guest -
Jeanne B - Food item
Sam & Deb G - macaroni salad and deviled eggs
Charley and Mary B. Cups, Napkins and utensils
Nancy H and 3 guests - plates , napkins and utensils
Terri P - food item
Pras and 2 guests - maybe
Rick and Denise - -
Frank andDebbie - -
Luann - maybe
Mike and Linda - Beans and Brownies
Claire and Ramon - Chips and dips
Christi P. -
Debbie - hashbrown casserole
Helen B and guest- food item
Al and Patricia -
Ronn and Sharon -
Check S. and Guest
Lee and Susie and Diana -
Kathy F - Drinks
Angela and Cathy - potato salad and buffalo wings
Bill - Hamburgers and Brats
PLEASE RSVP FOR THE COOKOUT BY POSTING YOUR COMMENT BELOW.
We have about 40 people planning to attend.
Our current needs are for some more food items.
Due to response, have change our start time to 4 PM. Park Closes at Dark.
When: Sunday, July 13 from 4 PM - Sunset.
Where: Phillippe Park in Safety Harbor.
How Much: FREE Event
More details here soon.
Get park directions here
List of people and planned items are here:
AnnaMarie - Chocolate cake, nustard and cups
Susan S and Bob -
Ron @ Sharon - plates & silverware
Julie F and Guest -
Jeanne B - Food item
Sam & Deb G - macaroni salad and deviled eggs
Charley and Mary B. Cups, Napkins and utensils
Nancy H and 3 guests - plates , napkins and utensils
Terri P - food item
Pras and 2 guests - maybe
Rick and Denise - -
Frank andDebbie - -
Luann - maybe
Mike and Linda - Beans and Brownies
Claire and Ramon - Chips and dips
Christi P. -
Debbie - hashbrown casserole
Helen B and guest- food item
Al and Patricia -
Ronn and Sharon -
Check S. and Guest
Lee and Susie and Diana -
Kathy F - Drinks
Angela and Cathy - potato salad and buffalo wings
Bill - Hamburgers and Brats
PLEASE RSVP FOR THE COOKOUT BY POSTING YOUR COMMENT BELOW.
Tuesday, July 1, 2008
Cedar Key Night Shot Video Camera
I have a DVD from the bar at Cedar Key. If anyone is interested in watching 1 to 2 hours of still shot video camera for experience. After about 20 minutes your eyes start to burn. This will give you a little insite into what Steve on Taps must go through. Let me know I will bring the DVD with me to the cook out. I wont say if there is anything found on the tape cause I don't want to ruin the end of the movie for you... Just kidding. Let me know.
Anna Marie
Pandooora@aol.com
Anna Marie
Pandooora@aol.com
Sunday, June 29, 2008
July 2nd Investigation Invitation
When: Wed, July 2, 11 PM - 1 AM
Where: Dave's Aqua Lounge
10820 Gandy Blvd. - St. Petersburg
(This is located on the Causeway, about 1/2 mile EAST of 4th St. N.)
How Much: No Cost to attend. (However, I am sure if you spent a dollar at Dave's he would appreciate it)
RSVP to investigation leader Al Dubiel at 727-656-1124 or email him at dubielstrains@tampabay.rr.com with your plans to attend and any equipment you plan to bring.
Please wear soft sole shoes to keep down any noise.
PLEASE BE ON TIME !
Where: Dave's Aqua Lounge
10820 Gandy Blvd. - St. Petersburg
(This is located on the Causeway, about 1/2 mile EAST of 4th St. N.)
How Much: No Cost to attend. (However, I am sure if you spent a dollar at Dave's he would appreciate it)
RSVP to investigation leader Al Dubiel at 727-656-1124 or email him at dubielstrains@tampabay.rr.com with your plans to attend and any equipment you plan to bring.
Please wear soft sole shoes to keep down any noise.
PLEASE BE ON TIME !
Team sign ups
It seems a lot of people are afraid they will be left behind. No one who wants to participate will be left behind. As mentioned at the meetings and Cedar Key if you would like to be added to an investigation team please email me at Pandooora@aol.com .
Investigations have not started yet and we are just getting things set up so relax. Remember when volunteering for a team. You must be a paid member. You must keep in contact with your team leader. You should stay as active in Tampa Ghost Watchers activities as possible.
These investigations are in private homes. Team can be changed without notice for undisclosed reasons. They must be handled professionally. If you volunteer be ready to do the work. You must review all your evidence and get back to the team leader in a timely manor. Should you find that investigations take too much of your time, you can resign from a team and be placed back on one in a later date.
Thank You
Anna Marie
Investigations have not started yet and we are just getting things set up so relax. Remember when volunteering for a team. You must be a paid member. You must keep in contact with your team leader. You should stay as active in Tampa Ghost Watchers activities as possible.
These investigations are in private homes. Team can be changed without notice for undisclosed reasons. They must be handled professionally. If you volunteer be ready to do the work. You must review all your evidence and get back to the team leader in a timely manor. Should you find that investigations take too much of your time, you can resign from a team and be placed back on one in a later date.
Thank You
Anna Marie
Sunday, April 20, 2008
Enough with the Orbs Already
Enough with the Orbs Already
From Stephen Wagner
Your Guide to Paranormal Phenomena.
It’s time to drop them as paranormal evidence
THERE IS AN ongoing debate, or at least spirited discussion, among ghost hunters and paranormal investigators about the validity of orbs as paranormal evidence. Orbs are anomalous spots that sometimes show up in photographs. Most are white, some are multicolored; some look solid, others appear textured.
Many ghost hunters believe they are evidence of ghosts – that they are some kind of spirit or psychic energy manifesting as these glowing balls of light. A growing number of researchers, however, are concluding that orbs are nothing more than dust particles illuminated by the camera flash. Actually, researchers will usually say that “most” such orbs are the result of dust, being reluctant to say that “all” are dust, leaving room for the possibility of a paranormal explanation.
The Experiments
Countless experiments have now been conducted showing that dusty areas do produce orbs in flash photographs. (See The Truth About Orbs and Orbs and Artifacts among many other web articles for the technical details.) Small insects, rain, snow, pollen and other airborne particulates can also produce them. These experiments were designed to show that these airborne elements can be the cause of orbs and may not necessarily be ghost phenomena.
I applaud these efforts, but the essential question, it seems to me, is: How did orbs in photographs become associated with ghost phenomena in the first place? In other words, why do they even need to be disproved? Yes, anomalous white spots occasionally appear in photos... How do we suddenly make the great leap to say that they are spirit energy? That’s quite a leap. And an erroneous one, in my estimation.
Paranormal Assumption
I suspect this is how it came about.
Most people do not take photographs in very dark locations, either indoors or outdoors. The people who do this on a regular basis, however, are ghost hunters. Skulking around abandoned buildings and cemeteries at night with their digital cameras, you will hear them announce “Flash” (to warn fellow ghost hunters) as they snap dozens of pictures.
Of course, they did not see any luminous orbs of light with their naked eyes when they took the pictures, but there in many of the photos – plain as day against the relatively dark background – are brightly glowing orbs. The ghost hunters are in a possibly haunted location… the orbs were invisible to the eye… yet they show up in the photos… they must be something paranormal, they conclude. They must be spirit energy.
I belong to a ghost hunting group, so I know how eager members are to find evidence of a haunting. Seeing that unexpected orb in a photo gets them excited. “Proof!”
Well, hardly, I’m sorry to say. Real ghost evidence is darn hard to come by and has proved devilishly difficult to document. Orbs, unfortunately, have become all-too-easy things to point to as evidence when they are most certainly nothing of the kind. The experiments with dust and insects have shown that clearly.
A Common Anomaly
“Well, then why do orbs show up in ghost hunting photographs? Why don’t they show up in everyday pictures?” I have heard ghost hunters make that argument.
The fact is, they do show up in everyday pictures – quite frequently. I receive dozens of such photos every month from readers. The photos are not from ghost hunts, but from birthday parties, sports events, holidays – the usually things people take pictures of. They contain the same wide variety of orbs – white, colored, textured and seemingly moving – as those taken in cemeteries and haunted houses.
It could be argued that these everyday pictures are also capturing spirit activity, but of course there’s no way to prove that. The simpler explanation is that it’s just dust.
Again, these orbs tend to show up more prominently in ghost hunting photographs because they are usually taken in a darkened environment and they stand out more clearly against the dark background. But they do show up under normal lighting conditions, even if more faintly.
And what of moving orbs caught on video? The ones I’ve seen can most easily be explained as flying insects and, yes, floating motes of dust.
Please, No More
So at this point I am willing to dismiss all orb photos as non-paranormal anomalies. There seems to be no compelling reason to consider them as anything but dust and such. There are much more interesting and mysterious areas of ghost research to occupy our time and resources – such as electronic voice phenomena.
Let’s not waste any more speculation on orbs. Enough already.
From Stephen Wagner
Your Guide to Paranormal Phenomena.
It’s time to drop them as paranormal evidence
THERE IS AN ongoing debate, or at least spirited discussion, among ghost hunters and paranormal investigators about the validity of orbs as paranormal evidence. Orbs are anomalous spots that sometimes show up in photographs. Most are white, some are multicolored; some look solid, others appear textured.
Many ghost hunters believe they are evidence of ghosts – that they are some kind of spirit or psychic energy manifesting as these glowing balls of light. A growing number of researchers, however, are concluding that orbs are nothing more than dust particles illuminated by the camera flash. Actually, researchers will usually say that “most” such orbs are the result of dust, being reluctant to say that “all” are dust, leaving room for the possibility of a paranormal explanation.
The Experiments
Countless experiments have now been conducted showing that dusty areas do produce orbs in flash photographs. (See The Truth About Orbs and Orbs and Artifacts among many other web articles for the technical details.) Small insects, rain, snow, pollen and other airborne particulates can also produce them. These experiments were designed to show that these airborne elements can be the cause of orbs and may not necessarily be ghost phenomena.
I applaud these efforts, but the essential question, it seems to me, is: How did orbs in photographs become associated with ghost phenomena in the first place? In other words, why do they even need to be disproved? Yes, anomalous white spots occasionally appear in photos... How do we suddenly make the great leap to say that they are spirit energy? That’s quite a leap. And an erroneous one, in my estimation.
Paranormal Assumption
I suspect this is how it came about.
Most people do not take photographs in very dark locations, either indoors or outdoors. The people who do this on a regular basis, however, are ghost hunters. Skulking around abandoned buildings and cemeteries at night with their digital cameras, you will hear them announce “Flash” (to warn fellow ghost hunters) as they snap dozens of pictures.
Of course, they did not see any luminous orbs of light with their naked eyes when they took the pictures, but there in many of the photos – plain as day against the relatively dark background – are brightly glowing orbs. The ghost hunters are in a possibly haunted location… the orbs were invisible to the eye… yet they show up in the photos… they must be something paranormal, they conclude. They must be spirit energy.
I belong to a ghost hunting group, so I know how eager members are to find evidence of a haunting. Seeing that unexpected orb in a photo gets them excited. “Proof!”
Well, hardly, I’m sorry to say. Real ghost evidence is darn hard to come by and has proved devilishly difficult to document. Orbs, unfortunately, have become all-too-easy things to point to as evidence when they are most certainly nothing of the kind. The experiments with dust and insects have shown that clearly.
A Common Anomaly
“Well, then why do orbs show up in ghost hunting photographs? Why don’t they show up in everyday pictures?” I have heard ghost hunters make that argument.
The fact is, they do show up in everyday pictures – quite frequently. I receive dozens of such photos every month from readers. The photos are not from ghost hunts, but from birthday parties, sports events, holidays – the usually things people take pictures of. They contain the same wide variety of orbs – white, colored, textured and seemingly moving – as those taken in cemeteries and haunted houses.
It could be argued that these everyday pictures are also capturing spirit activity, but of course there’s no way to prove that. The simpler explanation is that it’s just dust.
Again, these orbs tend to show up more prominently in ghost hunting photographs because they are usually taken in a darkened environment and they stand out more clearly against the dark background. But they do show up under normal lighting conditions, even if more faintly.
And what of moving orbs caught on video? The ones I’ve seen can most easily be explained as flying insects and, yes, floating motes of dust.
Please, No More
So at this point I am willing to dismiss all orb photos as non-paranormal anomalies. There seems to be no compelling reason to consider them as anything but dust and such. There are much more interesting and mysterious areas of ghost research to occupy our time and resources – such as electronic voice phenomena.
Let’s not waste any more speculation on orbs. Enough already.
Monday, March 31, 2008
G...ood EVP article
EVP: Beyond White Noise
From Stephen Wagner,Your Guide to Paranormal Phenomena.FREE Newsletter. Sign Up Now!
The disturbing implications of electronic voice phenomena
Electronic voice phenomena is today one of the most fascinating areas of paranormal research. Human-sounding voices from unknown origin are recorded on such electronic media as tape recorders, digital voice recorders, video recorders and other devices. Strangely, the voices are not heard at the time of the recording; it is only when the recording is played back that the voices are heard. (Contrary to the premise of the film White Noise, EVPs are very often found without the use of 'white noise' – random static from a radio or television – although this method has been used successfully.) The phenomenon has been experienced and documented virtually since the invention of recording devices. Skeptics reasoned that the voices were caused by stray radio broadcasts or pre-recorded voices on re-used tapes.
EVP researchers were quick to dismiss the second reason, affirming that they only used sealed new tapes for their recordings. And then, of course, digital recorders, which require no tapes, made that argument irrelevant – the voices still showed up. Aside from outright fraud (and to be sure there is some of that taking place here and there), this left the skeptics with the one 'reasonable' explanation: the voices were caused by fragments of radio broadcasts. This dismissive explanation makes it clear that these skeptics – who usually tout themselves as being scientifically minded – have never tried to record EVPs and have certainly not researched the phenomenon very well. (Unfortunately, this is very often the case with skeptics and the paranormal.) If they had researched it, they would have found that the radio broadcast theory is absurd. Why? Because quite often, these voices actually respond to questions posed by researchers, comment on situations in a relevant manner, and occasionally even address the researchers by name. The chances of a stray radio broadcast doing this with just a few choice words are too remote to even consider by any objective person. Also, the voices are clearly not those of loudmouthed DJs or other broadcasters; they are voices of average people, children, adults, seniors, male and female. Some have accents and some are infused with human emotion. There are real personalities behind these voices, wherever they come from.
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
How AA-EVP is experimenting to validate the 'ghost voice' phenomenon
ELECTRONIC VOICE PHENOMENA, or EVP, is one of the most fascinating areas of ghost research. Human-sounding voices of unknown origin are captured on audio recordings. Ghost hunting groups around the world now routinely include voice recorders as part of their standard equipment for ghost hunts in the hopes of capturing EVP. They are often successful. For the most part, however, the recordings are as far as they go. Rarely is there any follow-up to determine whose voices they are or where they come from. Are they indeed voices of the dead… or something else? Today, the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena (AA-EVP) is taking EVP research to a new level. Through scientific experiments, they hope to provide more understanding of this intriguing mystery.
I spoke with Tom Butler, Co-Director of AA-EVP, about the group’s work. When was AA-EVP established and why? Sarah Estep established the AA-EVP in May of 1982 to, as we say in the : “Provide objective evidence that we survive death in an individual conscious state.” Lisa [Butler, Co-Director of AA-EVP] began recording for EVP after reading Sarah Estep’s first book, Voices of Eternity, which is now a free PDF download from the book page of AA-EVP. That was in 1987, as I remember. Sarah had run the Association for eighteen years and wanted to retire. So in May of 2000, Sarah dissolved the AA-EVP, sent us the old membership list and we reformed the Association without missing a newsletter. We immediately got the Association on the Internet. We wanted members to be able to share their EVP and discuss the paranormal voices, so we established an email sharing group. So that members could learn from the past, we also set up an online document archive, which now holds the majority of past newsletters. A discussion board, called the Idea Exchange, was recently added. There, members are able to help one another learn to work with EVP, and share ideas for new techniques. It is just the two of us operating the Association, so we are not able to give one-on-one attention to all five hundred plus members. That is why members helping members is very important. We are thankful for the help of volunteer moderators and regional coordinators, as many members have greatly benefited from their help. We wrote the book, There is No Death and There are No Dead, as a textbook to introduce EVP to people who are interested in these phenomena in a way that is both interesting and rational.
EVP is showing up in many parts of our culture. For instance, just about all ghost hunting clubs have at least one person using EVP as part of the investigation. Scientists seeking to debunk any form of nonphysical phenomena now include EVP in their comments, albeit usually while ignoring the evidence. The media is more often including some use of EVP in television programs and movies. However, not all of these references to the phenomenal voices are accurate, and we spend more and more of our time trying to counter misleading and nonsensical references with evidence-based explanations. We are determined to let the evidence be our guide, but we are also determined to provide at least one resource for the public to use when trying to determine what that evidence really does show and what something is that just “seems to be true.”
Next page > A new approach
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
(cont'd)
AA-EVP is the first group I’ve heard of that is taking a scientific approach to getting results. How did that come about?
Lisa has a degree in psychology and I have one in electronic engineering. We have both worked in the corporate world. We both studied metaphysical concepts since our teenage years and have considerable training in several healing and mediumship modalities. So you can see, our temperament and training tends toward the pragmatic and deterministic, making us uncomfortable being associated with wishful thinking or things wondrous but unsubstantiated.
You will often hear Lisa say that EVP is “objective evidence.” It is clearly a form of communication between two intelligent individuals. From our studies, the only explanation that explains the evidence is the “survival hypothesis,” and if that is true, then the implications of such tangible proof of our survival and the existence of a place in which to survive have profound implications for humankind.
For instance, we are beginning to see a substantial body of material that is giving us a clear view of the greater reality:
People in the physical are the source of the energy needed to cause etheric to physical influence. We see evidence in EVP that we are the architects of our experiences. This also seems to substantiate the belief that we, as Self, are “embodied” in the physical via our physical body.
We have entities around us all of the time. One of my favorite stories about EVP was told to us by a lady member who was alone recording for EVP. She asked her unseen communicators, “How many people are there from the Big Circle with me now?” The resulting EVP stated, “Twenty-three.” We can demonstrate rather conclusively that people have formed supporting groups on the other side. We think it can also be shown that we live with unseen helpers and that our lifetime is experienced as a cooperative effort between ourselves and our friends in spirit. Who we gather to us and how they are able to help us is a function of our worldview and our attention to the subtle communications from our helpers. This attention can be developed.
What our religions, culture and family teach us about death and after death has a great deal to do with our experiences concerning the other side. At this time, most western religions are teaching things that cause some people to manifest a fearful experience when they interface with the other side and when they transition there. We can also see the disservice our popular media is giving the public by doing almost always showing contact with the other side as something to be feared.
We have substantial, replicable proof that EVP can be developed into a powerful tool for etheric studies. If the evidence is considered, it is clear that many of the fundamental beliefs of science will need to be changed, and EVP offers a tangible means for determining how that change should be approached. For instance, central to the superpsi and quantum-holographics hypotheses, which are proposed as an alternative explanation to the survival hypothesis to explain the observed evidence, is the notion that information is “nonlocal.” This is based on the observation that mediums, remote viewers and clairvoyants (all more or less different expressions of the same ability) seem to be able to access information unaffected by time or space. In our work with EVP, we see that information is specific to an entity or a thought form. We do not know where the entity must “come from” to speak to us, but we are told by the communicators that they must, and have been told that they must “now go on” and will no longer be able to communicate. We see what seems like nonlocality as an illusion caused by scientists trying to explain the evidence using only physical world principles. There are more, but these are the essential points. If you consider that these observations are based on experimental evidence, and then consider that virtually all of the scientific community is taught the assumption that all has evolved from the Big Bang, and that consciousness has a biological origin, then you can see that it is not evidence alone that we must produce. There must also be a change in worldview, probably first of the average person, and then of scientists as funding becomes more available for etheric studies. We see this happening a little in Europe with a few EVP research grants being issued, but much remains to be done. So, in answer to your question, we set out to make the AA-EVP an organization in which grieving parents can find help, the newly interested can learn about EVP and the community of science can begin their etheric studies in a reasonable and rational environment. It is our hope that the AA-EVP will eventually have the funding to issue research grants to verify and the above observations and find ways to apply the result to the benefit of the community.
Next page > The 4Cell experiment
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
(cont'd)
Can you briefly describe your 4Cell experiment? Members of the AA-EVP represent a most unusual resource for science, in that many are very successful in recording EVP, and at the same time, willing to participate in organized experiments. Wanting to explore a way to use an experimental protocol, rather than something representing a hardware or phenomena analysis solution, we organized the 4Cell EVP Demonstration as an ongoing series of experiments to be conducted by many different four-person groups. Here is the 4Cell EVP Demonstration protocol:
A Requester thinks of a request to be given to cooperating nonphysical communicators (spirits). The request should be specifically of interest to the Requester and can be directed at a research question, such as, “What happens after the moment of physical death?” or a fact-finding question, such as, “Where is so-and-so’s body?” The Requester tells the Sender the request but not the answer or expected response.
A Sender is given the request and then conveys it to his or her communicators on the other side, asking that they send the requested information to the Receiver.
The sender then notifies the Receiver that a request has been “sent,” but does not tell the Receiver what the request is.
A Receiver conducts an EVP session asking to record the response to the request. Since the energy required for trans-etheric communication is thought to be limited in the group, the Receiver should be the only one conducting an EVP session for any particular cycle, and should only know that a request has been made. If the Receiver finds EVP in the resulting recording, the messages are sent to the Scribe.
A Scribe accepts the EVP, if any, from the Receiver and makes a first determination as to what is said in the utterance, if possible. The Scribe then asks the Requester for the request and posts the two on a private email sharing group so that the other three members of the Cell are able to listen to the EVP and determine which might be a fit for the request. The results of this collaboration, along with a standardized report of the proceedings, are then posted on the Idea Exchange for peer review. Other members of the AA-EVP are then asked to consider the offered EVP, if any, by functioning as a listening panel. What results have you gotten from the 4Cell experiment? The 4Cell experiments began showing us some very important results right away. For instance:
It is predicted in metaphysics that conceptual information, such as the feeling of love, should be more easily communicated across the veil than is concrete information, such as a street address. We seem to have some evidence confirming this. For instance, the question, “What is the name of so and so’s favorite restaurant?” The expected answer was the concrete name, “The waterfront.” The answer received was, “Has a view of the bay,” which is what the actual name could mean to people.
Some groups did better as they continued to work together, but others seemed to have more trouble if they had members with a lot of doubt about the experiments or if they were not getting along well. This needs much more study, but does seem to support the notion that it is possible to develop the energy necessary for etheric to physical influences by cultivating rapport amongst the participants. This is the “contact field” concept. It is also apparent that the Receiver should have a history of previous success in recording for EVP.
Very specific information that is not known to the receiver can be recorded. For instance, the question, “What are the names of so and so’s teachers in such and such school?” The expected answer was, “Vivian and Rosmund.” The answer recorded was, “Vivian and Rosmund.”
Some of the groups have established a team of cooperating entities. In one case, Vicki Talbott’s son, Braden, who is now on the other side, gave her the EVP message, “We are cell mates, Mom.” (This message was not recorded as part of a 4Cell experiment.) There are other discoveries from the 4Cell EVP Demonstration and, collectively, we are satisfied that the 4Cell protocol is an effective tool that anyone can use for these studies. One of the points we would like the observer to note is that we are not describing experiments, such as the usual psi functioning experiments, in which success is measured in very small differences between the results and chance. In the first place, according to physical science, the voice should not be in the recording. Beyond that, there is no physical reason that the Receiver can be expected to know what the question is, and of course, it is not reasonable to think that the Receiver would know the answer to something like a name of a teacher. The odds of the person guessing the question and then the answer must be astounding. Next page > What's next
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
(cont'd)
There remains the question of whether or not the Receiver is telepathically finding the answer from the Requester, but remember that the Sender does not know the answer to the question; only the Requester knows the answer, so in the flow of the protocol, the mind holding the answer is one person removed from the Receiver. By itself, this does not rule out telepathy, but the way the answers are sometimes provided further compounds the difficulty of obtaining the correct answer telepathically. We believe questions can be conceived that will even further reduce the likelihood of telepathy, but you can see that at some point we must finally invoke Occam’s Razor and admit that the source of the messages is a nonphysical communicator. We feel that the evidence conclusively proves the survival hypothesis. What do these results mean to you? How do you interpret them? One of the most exciting things about EVP and related phenomena is that the evidence of EVP can be related to other forms of etheric to physical influence in an effort to see if their is any agreement.
When there is, we see that all of these phenomena may depend on essentially the same physical principles. There is considerable agreement between what we find using voice and visual forms of nonphysical to physical communication, and what is reported in studies of mediums and such largely uncharted areas as the nature of ghosts and the physical relationship between incarnate and discarnate people. The difference between all of the other forms of these studies and working with EVP is that EVP is able to be used in experimental protocols that can be adopted by researchers around the world to produce essentially the same results. We have shown in the 4Cell experiments that an organized protocol can produce specific responses on request. That means that, even if the researcher does not agree with the source of the responses, it should be possible to use EVP as a “window” into the nature of consciousness, the hypothesized physical-etheric interface and the concept of post mortem survival.
Do you have other experiments in mind? What’s next in your research?
Research can assume many forms. We would love to have a sociologist conduct a study of the Big Circle recording group – on both sides of the veil. This is a group of AA-EVP members who, beginning with Martha Copeland and Karen Mossey, found that their children on the other side were able to communicate with them via EVP. In fact, it was Martha’s daughter, Cathy, who named the group, “The Big Circle.” In at least one case, we are pretty sure that a child on the other side guided his mother to join the Association and the Big Circle. In her book, I’m Still Here, you can read the story of how Martha has learned to continue her relationship with her daughter across the veil via EVP. See [link]http://bigcircle.aaevp.com/[/link] and [link]http://www.evpcommunications.com/[/link].
We see the relationship between the physical experimenter and the nonphysical communicator, both individually and as groups, is an important area of future research. The human resources for this research is available now, but what it will apparently require is funding that is specifically assigned to the project.
We have opened a prediction registry and a names registry in our discussion board, but it is clear that it will take time to mature these into useful tools. One of the problems is finding people who are both dedicated to the work and who have the personal resources to be able to spend the time. None of these efforts come without a cost.
Individual researchers outside of the AA-EVP are working in specific areas, such as analyzing the voice patterns in EVP or trying to establish a pattern of responses in EVP that prove the existence of the phenomena, but as an international association, we think our responsibility is first to serve our members and to help others learn about EVP and how to use it for their personal improvement. We try to find ways to experimentally further our understanding of these phenomena, but once again, it is just the two of us directing the Association and any new initiative comes with added workload, even if there are volunteers helping.
Our objective is to finally turn the AA-EVP into an organization in which we can concentrate on research and have a company manage the day-to-day operation. Next, we seek funding to support research aimed at the larger questions in etheric studies that might only be answered by an organization that has many qualified EVP experimenters.
From Stephen Wagner,Your Guide to Paranormal Phenomena.FREE Newsletter. Sign Up Now!
The disturbing implications of electronic voice phenomena
Electronic voice phenomena is today one of the most fascinating areas of paranormal research. Human-sounding voices from unknown origin are recorded on such electronic media as tape recorders, digital voice recorders, video recorders and other devices. Strangely, the voices are not heard at the time of the recording; it is only when the recording is played back that the voices are heard. (Contrary to the premise of the film White Noise, EVPs are very often found without the use of 'white noise' – random static from a radio or television – although this method has been used successfully.) The phenomenon has been experienced and documented virtually since the invention of recording devices. Skeptics reasoned that the voices were caused by stray radio broadcasts or pre-recorded voices on re-used tapes.
EVP researchers were quick to dismiss the second reason, affirming that they only used sealed new tapes for their recordings. And then, of course, digital recorders, which require no tapes, made that argument irrelevant – the voices still showed up. Aside from outright fraud (and to be sure there is some of that taking place here and there), this left the skeptics with the one 'reasonable' explanation: the voices were caused by fragments of radio broadcasts. This dismissive explanation makes it clear that these skeptics – who usually tout themselves as being scientifically minded – have never tried to record EVPs and have certainly not researched the phenomenon very well. (Unfortunately, this is very often the case with skeptics and the paranormal.) If they had researched it, they would have found that the radio broadcast theory is absurd. Why? Because quite often, these voices actually respond to questions posed by researchers, comment on situations in a relevant manner, and occasionally even address the researchers by name. The chances of a stray radio broadcast doing this with just a few choice words are too remote to even consider by any objective person. Also, the voices are clearly not those of loudmouthed DJs or other broadcasters; they are voices of average people, children, adults, seniors, male and female. Some have accents and some are infused with human emotion. There are real personalities behind these voices, wherever they come from.
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
How AA-EVP is experimenting to validate the 'ghost voice' phenomenon
ELECTRONIC VOICE PHENOMENA, or EVP, is one of the most fascinating areas of ghost research. Human-sounding voices of unknown origin are captured on audio recordings. Ghost hunting groups around the world now routinely include voice recorders as part of their standard equipment for ghost hunts in the hopes of capturing EVP. They are often successful. For the most part, however, the recordings are as far as they go. Rarely is there any follow-up to determine whose voices they are or where they come from. Are they indeed voices of the dead… or something else? Today, the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena (AA-EVP) is taking EVP research to a new level. Through scientific experiments, they hope to provide more understanding of this intriguing mystery.
I spoke with Tom Butler, Co-Director of AA-EVP, about the group’s work. When was AA-EVP established and why? Sarah Estep established the AA-EVP in May of 1982 to, as we say in the : “Provide objective evidence that we survive death in an individual conscious state.” Lisa [Butler, Co-Director of AA-EVP] began recording for EVP after reading Sarah Estep’s first book, Voices of Eternity, which is now a free PDF download from the book page of AA-EVP. That was in 1987, as I remember. Sarah had run the Association for eighteen years and wanted to retire. So in May of 2000, Sarah dissolved the AA-EVP, sent us the old membership list and we reformed the Association without missing a newsletter. We immediately got the Association on the Internet. We wanted members to be able to share their EVP and discuss the paranormal voices, so we established an email sharing group. So that members could learn from the past, we also set up an online document archive, which now holds the majority of past newsletters. A discussion board, called the Idea Exchange, was recently added. There, members are able to help one another learn to work with EVP, and share ideas for new techniques. It is just the two of us operating the Association, so we are not able to give one-on-one attention to all five hundred plus members. That is why members helping members is very important. We are thankful for the help of volunteer moderators and regional coordinators, as many members have greatly benefited from their help. We wrote the book, There is No Death and There are No Dead, as a textbook to introduce EVP to people who are interested in these phenomena in a way that is both interesting and rational.
EVP is showing up in many parts of our culture. For instance, just about all ghost hunting clubs have at least one person using EVP as part of the investigation. Scientists seeking to debunk any form of nonphysical phenomena now include EVP in their comments, albeit usually while ignoring the evidence. The media is more often including some use of EVP in television programs and movies. However, not all of these references to the phenomenal voices are accurate, and we spend more and more of our time trying to counter misleading and nonsensical references with evidence-based explanations. We are determined to let the evidence be our guide, but we are also determined to provide at least one resource for the public to use when trying to determine what that evidence really does show and what something is that just “seems to be true.”
Next page > A new approach
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
(cont'd)
AA-EVP is the first group I’ve heard of that is taking a scientific approach to getting results. How did that come about?
Lisa has a degree in psychology and I have one in electronic engineering. We have both worked in the corporate world. We both studied metaphysical concepts since our teenage years and have considerable training in several healing and mediumship modalities. So you can see, our temperament and training tends toward the pragmatic and deterministic, making us uncomfortable being associated with wishful thinking or things wondrous but unsubstantiated.
You will often hear Lisa say that EVP is “objective evidence.” It is clearly a form of communication between two intelligent individuals. From our studies, the only explanation that explains the evidence is the “survival hypothesis,” and if that is true, then the implications of such tangible proof of our survival and the existence of a place in which to survive have profound implications for humankind.
For instance, we are beginning to see a substantial body of material that is giving us a clear view of the greater reality:
People in the physical are the source of the energy needed to cause etheric to physical influence. We see evidence in EVP that we are the architects of our experiences. This also seems to substantiate the belief that we, as Self, are “embodied” in the physical via our physical body.
We have entities around us all of the time. One of my favorite stories about EVP was told to us by a lady member who was alone recording for EVP. She asked her unseen communicators, “How many people are there from the Big Circle with me now?” The resulting EVP stated, “Twenty-three.” We can demonstrate rather conclusively that people have formed supporting groups on the other side. We think it can also be shown that we live with unseen helpers and that our lifetime is experienced as a cooperative effort between ourselves and our friends in spirit. Who we gather to us and how they are able to help us is a function of our worldview and our attention to the subtle communications from our helpers. This attention can be developed.
What our religions, culture and family teach us about death and after death has a great deal to do with our experiences concerning the other side. At this time, most western religions are teaching things that cause some people to manifest a fearful experience when they interface with the other side and when they transition there. We can also see the disservice our popular media is giving the public by doing almost always showing contact with the other side as something to be feared.
We have substantial, replicable proof that EVP can be developed into a powerful tool for etheric studies. If the evidence is considered, it is clear that many of the fundamental beliefs of science will need to be changed, and EVP offers a tangible means for determining how that change should be approached. For instance, central to the superpsi and quantum-holographics hypotheses, which are proposed as an alternative explanation to the survival hypothesis to explain the observed evidence, is the notion that information is “nonlocal.” This is based on the observation that mediums, remote viewers and clairvoyants (all more or less different expressions of the same ability) seem to be able to access information unaffected by time or space. In our work with EVP, we see that information is specific to an entity or a thought form. We do not know where the entity must “come from” to speak to us, but we are told by the communicators that they must, and have been told that they must “now go on” and will no longer be able to communicate. We see what seems like nonlocality as an illusion caused by scientists trying to explain the evidence using only physical world principles. There are more, but these are the essential points. If you consider that these observations are based on experimental evidence, and then consider that virtually all of the scientific community is taught the assumption that all has evolved from the Big Bang, and that consciousness has a biological origin, then you can see that it is not evidence alone that we must produce. There must also be a change in worldview, probably first of the average person, and then of scientists as funding becomes more available for etheric studies. We see this happening a little in Europe with a few EVP research grants being issued, but much remains to be done. So, in answer to your question, we set out to make the AA-EVP an organization in which grieving parents can find help, the newly interested can learn about EVP and the community of science can begin their etheric studies in a reasonable and rational environment. It is our hope that the AA-EVP will eventually have the funding to issue research grants to verify and the above observations and find ways to apply the result to the benefit of the community.
Next page > The 4Cell experiment
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
(cont'd)
Can you briefly describe your 4Cell experiment? Members of the AA-EVP represent a most unusual resource for science, in that many are very successful in recording EVP, and at the same time, willing to participate in organized experiments. Wanting to explore a way to use an experimental protocol, rather than something representing a hardware or phenomena analysis solution, we organized the 4Cell EVP Demonstration as an ongoing series of experiments to be conducted by many different four-person groups. Here is the 4Cell EVP Demonstration protocol:
A Requester thinks of a request to be given to cooperating nonphysical communicators (spirits). The request should be specifically of interest to the Requester and can be directed at a research question, such as, “What happens after the moment of physical death?” or a fact-finding question, such as, “Where is so-and-so’s body?” The Requester tells the Sender the request but not the answer or expected response.
A Sender is given the request and then conveys it to his or her communicators on the other side, asking that they send the requested information to the Receiver.
The sender then notifies the Receiver that a request has been “sent,” but does not tell the Receiver what the request is.
A Receiver conducts an EVP session asking to record the response to the request. Since the energy required for trans-etheric communication is thought to be limited in the group, the Receiver should be the only one conducting an EVP session for any particular cycle, and should only know that a request has been made. If the Receiver finds EVP in the resulting recording, the messages are sent to the Scribe.
A Scribe accepts the EVP, if any, from the Receiver and makes a first determination as to what is said in the utterance, if possible. The Scribe then asks the Requester for the request and posts the two on a private email sharing group so that the other three members of the Cell are able to listen to the EVP and determine which might be a fit for the request. The results of this collaboration, along with a standardized report of the proceedings, are then posted on the Idea Exchange for peer review. Other members of the AA-EVP are then asked to consider the offered EVP, if any, by functioning as a listening panel. What results have you gotten from the 4Cell experiment? The 4Cell experiments began showing us some very important results right away. For instance:
It is predicted in metaphysics that conceptual information, such as the feeling of love, should be more easily communicated across the veil than is concrete information, such as a street address. We seem to have some evidence confirming this. For instance, the question, “What is the name of so and so’s favorite restaurant?” The expected answer was the concrete name, “The waterfront.” The answer received was, “Has a view of the bay,” which is what the actual name could mean to people.
Some groups did better as they continued to work together, but others seemed to have more trouble if they had members with a lot of doubt about the experiments or if they were not getting along well. This needs much more study, but does seem to support the notion that it is possible to develop the energy necessary for etheric to physical influences by cultivating rapport amongst the participants. This is the “contact field” concept. It is also apparent that the Receiver should have a history of previous success in recording for EVP.
Very specific information that is not known to the receiver can be recorded. For instance, the question, “What are the names of so and so’s teachers in such and such school?” The expected answer was, “Vivian and Rosmund.” The answer recorded was, “Vivian and Rosmund.”
Some of the groups have established a team of cooperating entities. In one case, Vicki Talbott’s son, Braden, who is now on the other side, gave her the EVP message, “We are cell mates, Mom.” (This message was not recorded as part of a 4Cell experiment.) There are other discoveries from the 4Cell EVP Demonstration and, collectively, we are satisfied that the 4Cell protocol is an effective tool that anyone can use for these studies. One of the points we would like the observer to note is that we are not describing experiments, such as the usual psi functioning experiments, in which success is measured in very small differences between the results and chance. In the first place, according to physical science, the voice should not be in the recording. Beyond that, there is no physical reason that the Receiver can be expected to know what the question is, and of course, it is not reasonable to think that the Receiver would know the answer to something like a name of a teacher. The odds of the person guessing the question and then the answer must be astounding. Next page > What's next
EVP, The Next Level: Getting Proof
(cont'd)
There remains the question of whether or not the Receiver is telepathically finding the answer from the Requester, but remember that the Sender does not know the answer to the question; only the Requester knows the answer, so in the flow of the protocol, the mind holding the answer is one person removed from the Receiver. By itself, this does not rule out telepathy, but the way the answers are sometimes provided further compounds the difficulty of obtaining the correct answer telepathically. We believe questions can be conceived that will even further reduce the likelihood of telepathy, but you can see that at some point we must finally invoke Occam’s Razor and admit that the source of the messages is a nonphysical communicator. We feel that the evidence conclusively proves the survival hypothesis. What do these results mean to you? How do you interpret them? One of the most exciting things about EVP and related phenomena is that the evidence of EVP can be related to other forms of etheric to physical influence in an effort to see if their is any agreement.
When there is, we see that all of these phenomena may depend on essentially the same physical principles. There is considerable agreement between what we find using voice and visual forms of nonphysical to physical communication, and what is reported in studies of mediums and such largely uncharted areas as the nature of ghosts and the physical relationship between incarnate and discarnate people. The difference between all of the other forms of these studies and working with EVP is that EVP is able to be used in experimental protocols that can be adopted by researchers around the world to produce essentially the same results. We have shown in the 4Cell experiments that an organized protocol can produce specific responses on request. That means that, even if the researcher does not agree with the source of the responses, it should be possible to use EVP as a “window” into the nature of consciousness, the hypothesized physical-etheric interface and the concept of post mortem survival.
Do you have other experiments in mind? What’s next in your research?
Research can assume many forms. We would love to have a sociologist conduct a study of the Big Circle recording group – on both sides of the veil. This is a group of AA-EVP members who, beginning with Martha Copeland and Karen Mossey, found that their children on the other side were able to communicate with them via EVP. In fact, it was Martha’s daughter, Cathy, who named the group, “The Big Circle.” In at least one case, we are pretty sure that a child on the other side guided his mother to join the Association and the Big Circle. In her book, I’m Still Here, you can read the story of how Martha has learned to continue her relationship with her daughter across the veil via EVP. See [link]http://bigcircle.aaevp.com/[/link] and [link]http://www.evpcommunications.com/[/link].
We see the relationship between the physical experimenter and the nonphysical communicator, both individually and as groups, is an important area of future research. The human resources for this research is available now, but what it will apparently require is funding that is specifically assigned to the project.
We have opened a prediction registry and a names registry in our discussion board, but it is clear that it will take time to mature these into useful tools. One of the problems is finding people who are both dedicated to the work and who have the personal resources to be able to spend the time. None of these efforts come without a cost.
Individual researchers outside of the AA-EVP are working in specific areas, such as analyzing the voice patterns in EVP or trying to establish a pattern of responses in EVP that prove the existence of the phenomena, but as an international association, we think our responsibility is first to serve our members and to help others learn about EVP and how to use it for their personal improvement. We try to find ways to experimentally further our understanding of these phenomena, but once again, it is just the two of us directing the Association and any new initiative comes with added workload, even if there are volunteers helping.
Our objective is to finally turn the AA-EVP into an organization in which we can concentrate on research and have a company manage the day-to-day operation. Next, we seek funding to support research aimed at the larger questions in etheric studies that might only be answered by an organization that has many qualified EVP experimenters.
Thursday, March 27, 2008
Identufying Orbs..FYI
http://www.sgha.net/articles/orbs.html It would help if I post the link.......Debbie
Identifying Orbs...FYI
Hi everyone, I ran across this excellent article on how to identify ORBS. Even I can understand this......enjoy! Debbie
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Next Meeting - Sunday, March 30 - 7 PM
Our next meeting of Tampa Ghost Watchers will be Sunday, March 30 at 7 PM at the office of the Tampa Marketing Company at 1906 N. Armenia Avenue #207, Tampa, FL . Phone is 813-283-0760.
Three home investigations to discuss including some video from a recent investigation.
Three home investigations to discuss including some video from a recent investigation.
Cedar Key/ Niagara Falls
We are currently sold out on the CEDAR KEY event, however, if you have not paid for your room and registration it will be released as of Monday, March 17. I have paid for all of the hotel rooms and most of the other expenses. So, please help out. Let me know of your plans and I can email you an invoice for credit card payment.
NIAGARA FALLS - We are close to being sold out for the Memorial Day trip. If you plan to attend, please let me know asap.
NIAGARA FALLS - We are close to being sold out for the Memorial Day trip. If you plan to attend, please let me know asap.
Ocala National Forest
HERE ARE ALL THE DETAILS. If you have not signed up, please let me know ASAP ! So we can be ready for you. $20 per person to attend.
Bill's cell phone number is 813-770-3902 , Lee's is (239) 246-3168
BUT NO GUARANTEE THEY WILL WORK IN THE FOREST.
OCALA NATIONAL FOREST - This Saturday/Sunday - March 15.
The weather forecast is for 80 degree weather with a very slight chance of rain. PERFECT ! The plan is to meet at SILVER GLEN SPRINGS in the Ocala National Forest. This is a beautiful swimming/picnicing location. It is also easy to find. It takes about 3 hours from our office. Directions are as follows: Take I-75 North to Ocala, In Ocala, take the Hwy 40 exit EAST, go approximately one hour to the middle of the Ocala National Forest, you will pass an area called Four Corners (there is a grocery store there) and continue on Hwy 40 past Juniper Springs to Hwy 19 (just a couple miles past Juniper Springs) turn NORTH on Hwy 19, several miles north you will find SILVER GLEN SPRINGS.
We are to meet there by 3 PM on Saturday. And will depart from there promptly. Get there early, or visit Juniper Springs if you are early. These are beautiful Florida treasures. Lee Ehrlich with Ghost Pros will be at Silver Glen Springs about 1:30, he said he would bring his GHOST PROS van to be easily found. I hope to be the last arrival at 3.
Our camping site will be about 30 minutes away from the Springs, in the middle of the forest. Remember this is primitive camping. You will be very close to your car, and a 45 minute hike or so to the former settlement. Thanks to the time change we will have sunlight until about 8 PM. We will get situated and then hike in to the settlement before dark to get a real look at the area. Then we will return around 10 PM and again in the very early morning as the sun rises.
We are ready to provide you with hamburgers and hotdogs for dinner, so not to worry. Bring your own drinks, and remember water.
Remember this is primitive camping. Bring toilet paper, flashlights, tent, and whatever you may require. AND A CHAIR TO SIT IN.
I expect us to be leaving the campsite by noon. BUT stay to enjoy this spectacular forest.
Map to Silver Glen Springs here http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/florida/local-resources/images/maps/oca/canoe_silver.pdf
Details of the Settlement here :
The Yearling Trail
Pats Island is one of the most popular historic attractions on the Ocala National Forest. The area was named after it's first postmaster Patrick Smith who settled there in the 1840's and the unique relationship of two ecosystems, long leaf pine and sand pine scrub.
Much of the land bounded by the St. Johns and Ocklawaha rivers consists of the largest concentration of sand pine scrub in the world. Within this vast area there are oases of fertile soils and moisture that support growth of longleaf pine, wiregrass, turkey oak and other trees and plants not found in the surrounding arid scrub. Pioneers who settled in these areas called them islands because a sea of scrub surrounded them.
The Reuben Long family came to the area around 1872 and individual family members applied for and were granted homestead acres that they worked and lived on for many years. Human habitation on the island peaked before the turn of the 20th century when about a dozen families sought to eke out a living on the 1400-acre island. A living was made from farming, running woods cattle and hogs, hunting, fishing, making moonshine whisky, and trading with boat travel on the St. Johns River.
There is an ecological uniqueness of this of a longleaf pine island surrounded by scrub pine, which creates a single community isolated from the mainstream of central Florida life. The imposed remoteness contributed to a community essentially untouched by outside forces. The community had its own church, school, post office and self-appointed lay ministers.
Life was hard on the island and after the big back-to-back freezes of 1894 and 1895 the population began to decline. Most of the settlers had sold or leased their homesteads before the Ocala National Forest was formed in 1908. Outside forces were slowly bringing life as it had been on the island to an end. In 1935 the island was abandoned by man and surrendered back to the elements after less than 100 years of human occupation.
The natural beauty of the area and the colorful life style of these rugged people fascinated the author, Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings. She stayed with the last two inhabitants of the island, Calvin and Mary Long in October 1933. During this and other visits she recorded many stories told by the Longs. Calvin's childhood story of nursing a deer from a fawn gave her the idea for the Pulitzer Prize winning novel "The Yearling". The book was made into a movie starring Gregory Peck, Jane Wyman and Claude Jarman, Jr. and was filmed on location in the early 1940's.
Today you too can visit Pat's Island via the Yearling Trail. The trailhead is located on SR 19 across from the Silver Glen Springs entrance. From there you can hike up to 6 miles visiting various sites of historical significance and enjoy the natural beauty of the island.
Pats Island is located in Juniper Prairie Wilderness where natural processes are the primary influences and human activity is limited. Forest Service management of Pat's Island preserves and protects its physical and biological characteristics and allows us to experience this treasure without intention to disturb or destroy natural processes. As wilderness, the island is closed to motorized equipment and bicycles.
As you circle the island, stop and notice the sites where the residents once lived. When you once again see the sand pine scrub, you will be arriving back at the trailhead. Perhaps you may want to complete your trip with a visit to Silver Glen Springs. Snacking at a shaded picnic table or swimming in crystal clear 72 degrees year around water is a great way to top off the day. You may want to visit the Boils Trail at the glen where Jody (of The Yearling) built a "flutter mill" with palmetto leaf and sticks. It was here that he nodded off to sleep when he was supposed to be home attending his chores. The Lake George Trail from the Silver Glen Springs Recreation Area to Lake George also offers another hiking adventure.
Bill's cell phone number is 813-770-3902 , Lee's is (239) 246-3168
BUT NO GUARANTEE THEY WILL WORK IN THE FOREST.
OCALA NATIONAL FOREST - This Saturday/Sunday - March 15.
The weather forecast is for 80 degree weather with a very slight chance of rain. PERFECT ! The plan is to meet at SILVER GLEN SPRINGS in the Ocala National Forest. This is a beautiful swimming/picnicing location. It is also easy to find. It takes about 3 hours from our office. Directions are as follows: Take I-75 North to Ocala, In Ocala, take the Hwy 40 exit EAST, go approximately one hour to the middle of the Ocala National Forest, you will pass an area called Four Corners (there is a grocery store there) and continue on Hwy 40 past Juniper Springs to Hwy 19 (just a couple miles past Juniper Springs) turn NORTH on Hwy 19, several miles north you will find SILVER GLEN SPRINGS.
We are to meet there by 3 PM on Saturday. And will depart from there promptly. Get there early, or visit Juniper Springs if you are early. These are beautiful Florida treasures. Lee Ehrlich with Ghost Pros will be at Silver Glen Springs about 1:30, he said he would bring his GHOST PROS van to be easily found. I hope to be the last arrival at 3.
Our camping site will be about 30 minutes away from the Springs, in the middle of the forest. Remember this is primitive camping. You will be very close to your car, and a 45 minute hike or so to the former settlement. Thanks to the time change we will have sunlight until about 8 PM. We will get situated and then hike in to the settlement before dark to get a real look at the area. Then we will return around 10 PM and again in the very early morning as the sun rises.
We are ready to provide you with hamburgers and hotdogs for dinner, so not to worry. Bring your own drinks, and remember water.
Remember this is primitive camping. Bring toilet paper, flashlights, tent, and whatever you may require. AND A CHAIR TO SIT IN.
I expect us to be leaving the campsite by noon. BUT stay to enjoy this spectacular forest.
Map to Silver Glen Springs here http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/florida/local-resources/images/maps/oca/canoe_silver.pdf
Details of the Settlement here :
The Yearling Trail
Pats Island is one of the most popular historic attractions on the Ocala National Forest. The area was named after it's first postmaster Patrick Smith who settled there in the 1840's and the unique relationship of two ecosystems, long leaf pine and sand pine scrub.
Much of the land bounded by the St. Johns and Ocklawaha rivers consists of the largest concentration of sand pine scrub in the world. Within this vast area there are oases of fertile soils and moisture that support growth of longleaf pine, wiregrass, turkey oak and other trees and plants not found in the surrounding arid scrub. Pioneers who settled in these areas called them islands because a sea of scrub surrounded them.
The Reuben Long family came to the area around 1872 and individual family members applied for and were granted homestead acres that they worked and lived on for many years. Human habitation on the island peaked before the turn of the 20th century when about a dozen families sought to eke out a living on the 1400-acre island. A living was made from farming, running woods cattle and hogs, hunting, fishing, making moonshine whisky, and trading with boat travel on the St. Johns River.
There is an ecological uniqueness of this of a longleaf pine island surrounded by scrub pine, which creates a single community isolated from the mainstream of central Florida life. The imposed remoteness contributed to a community essentially untouched by outside forces. The community had its own church, school, post office and self-appointed lay ministers.
Life was hard on the island and after the big back-to-back freezes of 1894 and 1895 the population began to decline. Most of the settlers had sold or leased their homesteads before the Ocala National Forest was formed in 1908. Outside forces were slowly bringing life as it had been on the island to an end. In 1935 the island was abandoned by man and surrendered back to the elements after less than 100 years of human occupation.
The natural beauty of the area and the colorful life style of these rugged people fascinated the author, Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings. She stayed with the last two inhabitants of the island, Calvin and Mary Long in October 1933. During this and other visits she recorded many stories told by the Longs. Calvin's childhood story of nursing a deer from a fawn gave her the idea for the Pulitzer Prize winning novel "The Yearling". The book was made into a movie starring Gregory Peck, Jane Wyman and Claude Jarman, Jr. and was filmed on location in the early 1940's.
Today you too can visit Pat's Island via the Yearling Trail. The trailhead is located on SR 19 across from the Silver Glen Springs entrance. From there you can hike up to 6 miles visiting various sites of historical significance and enjoy the natural beauty of the island.
Pats Island is located in Juniper Prairie Wilderness where natural processes are the primary influences and human activity is limited. Forest Service management of Pat's Island preserves and protects its physical and biological characteristics and allows us to experience this treasure without intention to disturb or destroy natural processes. As wilderness, the island is closed to motorized equipment and bicycles.
As you circle the island, stop and notice the sites where the residents once lived. When you once again see the sand pine scrub, you will be arriving back at the trailhead. Perhaps you may want to complete your trip with a visit to Silver Glen Springs. Snacking at a shaded picnic table or swimming in crystal clear 72 degrees year around water is a great way to top off the day. You may want to visit the Boils Trail at the glen where Jody (of The Yearling) built a "flutter mill" with palmetto leaf and sticks. It was here that he nodded off to sleep when he was supposed to be home attending his chores. The Lake George Trail from the Silver Glen Springs Recreation Area to Lake George also offers another hiking adventure.
Tuesday, March 4, 2008
We has a blast at the Belleview Biltmore. We had 24 people come and around 2pm the giggles set in. It was such a fun group.
My son, a beginner got the best experience picture. Dont ya just hate it when you take a beginner fishing and they are the one who catches the big fish! lol This is his picture. He heard a voice, snuck up the stairs and put his arm around the corner and got this photo.
This next picture was taken by Debbie. We have found posting pictures that have to be blown up tend to blur and loose a lot of the excitement so if anyone wants clearer pictures please e-mail me. Pandooora@aol.com.
Months ago I got a great clear face of a child in blowing up a dot on a picture and this picture was the same way. It was just a weird dot and I blew it up and was shocked to see this face. So if you get a strange looking dot that might be your best catch of the day!
Anna Marie
My son, a beginner got the best experience picture. Dont ya just hate it when you take a beginner fishing and they are the one who catches the big fish! lol This is his picture. He heard a voice, snuck up the stairs and put his arm around the corner and got this photo.
This next picture was taken by Debbie. We have found posting pictures that have to be blown up tend to blur and loose a lot of the excitement so if anyone wants clearer pictures please e-mail me. Pandooora@aol.com.
Months ago I got a great clear face of a child in blowing up a dot on a picture and this picture was the same way. It was just a weird dot and I blew it up and was shocked to see this face. So if you get a strange looking dot that might be your best catch of the day!
Anna Marie
Monday, March 3, 2008
Fire Station # 5
Here are two photos taken within the fire station. Bill had asked Linda and I to get there ahead of the group and met with Dominique, and that gave us a few minutes to look around before everyone else got there. The four orbs seemed to be moving and the doorway shot seems to be a figure peeking out. I have attempted to clean up the photos but no luck. The photos here are as I took them.
What do you think?
Monday, February 25, 2008
Ocala
I have two extra tents at my home in Mulberry. 6 man and 11 man. I have not used the 11 man in many years and hope rodents havent used it for nesting material. They are both easy to throw together pup tents. I will be sharing a tent with Debbie. I would be happy to lend them to anyone who needs a tent. I need to know as soon as possible. I dont go to Mulberry very often. I would need someone with a larger car to go out there with me. I cant fit them in my widdle mustang.
Anna Marie
e-mail me at Pandooora@aol.com
Anna Marie
e-mail me at Pandooora@aol.com
Monday, February 18, 2008
Fun Story
Here is a fun story I would like to share with the group.
My mother has had a friend since I was about 2. They lived in Long Island NY together. My mom moved to NJ and her friend moved to Arcaida Florida. When my mother comes to town I always take her down there and leave her with her friend for a week.
Last night I took my Mom to the firehouse. She was new but the group was easy to be with and she had a great time. (I would like to thank you all for that) On the way to her friends house she said to me I would like to tell Jo (her friend) about the ghost stuff but I am afraid of what she will think.
Okay we get there and I crash in a living room chair and put my big gigantic key chain and my driving glasses on a heavy oak table about a foot from the chair. The keys and glasses were pretty close to the middle of the table. About 15 minutes later the keys go flying off the table and land in the middle of the living room floor, in front all four of us. I said what the hell? And her friend says "oh that's just my ghost". I turned to my mom and said, "your safe mom I think she is okay with it". LOL
See you just never know where you are going to find activity...
Anna Marie
My mother has had a friend since I was about 2. They lived in Long Island NY together. My mom moved to NJ and her friend moved to Arcaida Florida. When my mother comes to town I always take her down there and leave her with her friend for a week.
Last night I took my Mom to the firehouse. She was new but the group was easy to be with and she had a great time. (I would like to thank you all for that) On the way to her friends house she said to me I would like to tell Jo (her friend) about the ghost stuff but I am afraid of what she will think.
Okay we get there and I crash in a living room chair and put my big gigantic key chain and my driving glasses on a heavy oak table about a foot from the chair. The keys and glasses were pretty close to the middle of the table. About 15 minutes later the keys go flying off the table and land in the middle of the living room floor, in front all four of us. I said what the hell? And her friend says "oh that's just my ghost". I turned to my mom and said, "your safe mom I think she is okay with it". LOL
See you just never know where you are going to find activity...
Anna Marie
Firehouse # 5...Opps!
Opps!....I forgot to attach the photo's I cropped the first photo to enlarge and of course light enhanced both a bit as it was dark...I missed this the first time I went through my photos. debbie
Firehouse # 5
Thanks Bill for the Great investigation! A great photo I took on the outside of the firehouse not only captures an Orb on top of the stairs but check out the light (vortex?) at the base on the railing. A photo taken seconds later but from a different angle shows neither, there were no lights out there on the side.......Debbie
Thanks
I would like to say thank you to all the people who went to the firehouse last night. This great group of people made it a wonderful night. I would especially like to thank Bill for all his efforts to make these events available to us.. GREAT JOB BILL!!!
Anna Marie
Anna Marie
Wednesday, February 13, 2008
Cassadaga Spiritual Weekend
The attached photo was taken on Friday Feb.8th within the private Arrarat Cemetery in Daytona Beach. The group was led by Dusty Smith, and the investigation was beyond words.
This event was excellent and we are still going through tons of evidence.
Lee Erlich of Ghost Pros and I walked about 30 feet away from our group to do some EVP work. I experienced an approx. 20-25 degree temperature change and felt someone behind me. When I turned, no one was there, so I started snapping digital still photos. Concentrate on the lower right hand corner.
If you are a skeptic, I can't show you anything more convincing than this.
Enjoy.
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Cassadaga Event
I got to Cassadaga about 2 on Saturday afternoon and enjoyed the event very much. Cassadaga was as expected and with perfect weather. It was late night investigating. We had quite a few there from TampaGhostWatchers, so we will have some stories to tell at the Social after the Fire Station Investigation. The social will be held at the Dubliner Irish Pub on Azeele Street between Armenia and Howard Avenues after the Fire Station Investigation.
Next Meeting/ Investigation - Sunday, Feb 17
Our Next Meeting will be an investigation of a Tampa Fire Station built in 1925. Get more details about it here.
We will meet at our offices first at 7 PM on Sunday, Feb. 17, at 1906 N. Armenia Ave. #207, Tampa, FL Phone 813-770-3902 cell
The Investigation will be from 8 - 9:30 with a social to follow.
There is no cost to participate, however,
PAID MEMBERS ONLY WILL BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THIS MEETING/INVESTIGATION.
You can join online here.
PLEASE BE ON TIME. AND Bring Flashlights. There will not be power on in the building.
RSVP REQUIRED, send your email to bill@tampaghostwatchers.com
Tuesday, February 5, 2008
The link is finally up to book
I hope you guys can join me!!!
OVERNIGHT INVESTIGATION OF THE BELLEVIEW BILTMORE RESORT March 1!
Back by popular demand, Orlando Ghost Tours is pleased to announce an overnight investigation of the beautiful Belleview Biltmore Hotel in Clearwater, Florida March 1!
Over the years, Orlando Ghost Tours has been proud to provide our guests with unique paranormal investigative opportunities in such amazing locations as New Orleans, Savannah, and Chicago. The exciting results of our investigations and the overwhelmingly positive interaction with our groups have made each of our overnight events moments that we all cherish. It is during these events, that you, our valued guests, get to become an amateur ghost hunter for the night and broaden your experiences in the world of the paranormal!
For more than a century, the Belleview Biltmore Resort has bestowed Southern hospitality and unparalleled elegance to an impressive guest list. Since 1897, British royalty, heads of state, movie stars, and professional athletes have all heralded the resort’s distinctive charm. With a fascinating history laced with social prominence and a remarkable revitalization, the Belleview Biltmore Resort holds a rightful position on the National Register of Historic Places. Today, the Belleview Biltmore unites historic charm with contemporary amenities to bring guests an experience that is simply beyond compare.
Ghostly encounters are also interlaced with the history of this grand resort, and now you can join the Orlando Ghost Tours team of investigators as well as those of our dear friends at Southern Ghosts on an exciting journey to the Belleview Biltmore and explore a side of this wonderful facility that you never knew existed!
This event begins at 9 p.m. in the front lobby and continues until right around 1:00 a.m.
Rooms are limited.. book ASAP
Investigation only will be available when rooms are not.
To book use this link.
Questions please call me 813-412-1747
http://www.hauntedorlando.com/belleviewevening
OVERNIGHT INVESTIGATION OF THE BELLEVIEW BILTMORE RESORT March 1!
Back by popular demand, Orlando Ghost Tours is pleased to announce an overnight investigation of the beautiful Belleview Biltmore Hotel in Clearwater, Florida March 1!
Over the years, Orlando Ghost Tours has been proud to provide our guests with unique paranormal investigative opportunities in such amazing locations as New Orleans, Savannah, and Chicago. The exciting results of our investigations and the overwhelmingly positive interaction with our groups have made each of our overnight events moments that we all cherish. It is during these events, that you, our valued guests, get to become an amateur ghost hunter for the night and broaden your experiences in the world of the paranormal!
For more than a century, the Belleview Biltmore Resort has bestowed Southern hospitality and unparalleled elegance to an impressive guest list. Since 1897, British royalty, heads of state, movie stars, and professional athletes have all heralded the resort’s distinctive charm. With a fascinating history laced with social prominence and a remarkable revitalization, the Belleview Biltmore Resort holds a rightful position on the National Register of Historic Places. Today, the Belleview Biltmore unites historic charm with contemporary amenities to bring guests an experience that is simply beyond compare.
Ghostly encounters are also interlaced with the history of this grand resort, and now you can join the Orlando Ghost Tours team of investigators as well as those of our dear friends at Southern Ghosts on an exciting journey to the Belleview Biltmore and explore a side of this wonderful facility that you never knew existed!
This event begins at 9 p.m. in the front lobby and continues until right around 1:00 a.m.
Rooms are limited.. book ASAP
Investigation only will be available when rooms are not.
To book use this link.
Questions please call me 813-412-1747
http://www.hauntedorlando.com/belleviewevening
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
Belleview Biltmore
The Belleview Biltmore over night investigation (March 1st) will be posted on the site within the next 48 hours. Anyone who was interested will be able to book after then. Emilio apologizes for taking so long in getting that done but as a video producer he has been swamped. The web address to sign up is http://www.hauntedorlando.com/bellviewtour.html
Anna Marie
You can e-mail me with any questions at Pandooora@aol.com
Anna Marie
You can e-mail me with any questions at Pandooora@aol.com
Monday, January 28, 2008
Email From Brent Fair of TAPSCON
I received this email from Brent Fair of the TAPCON on Jan.3rd.
Enjoy
Dear VIP pass holder, Firstly, I would like to thank you for your interest in Taps CON and for deciding to purchase a VIP package. I hope your experience at Taps CON will be a memorable one! Secondly, I apologize to you personally, for the delay in confirming your seating for the VIP lectures. There was a minor issue with our email server and we are just now at the point of being able to respond to your request.I must state, we are a bit over the posted "70" requests for the "first come first serve" registrants. However, since we were unable to access our email account here, to gauge our capacity for the seating, we are honoring your request for a seat anyhow! As you know, there is a maximum capacity of 70 persons in the Belleair Amphitheater, which is why we limited the seating to 70. Since we are honoring over that amount, we are now expanding the VIP lecture area into the Candlelight Ballroom, which has seating capacity to accommodate our needs.VIP lectures will not be held solely in the Belleair Amphitheater now!This means we are adding more lectures to the schedule, to better round out your experience.Please know that by YOU receiving this email, that we have noted your request to have seats reserved. As the event gets closer, you will receive an additional email confirming the people that you have registered for lecture seating. If there are errors in our list, we will arrange telephone contact to you, to clear up any discrepancies.Additionally, we appreciate your understanding that this is our inaugural year for Taps CON and that we are in the process of LEARNING what work sand what doesn't. Clearly, the instructions on the web site (VIP page) area little confusing as to how to register for the lectures. We can assure you that next year, it will be less confusing and that auto-confirmation swill be given out upon registration for lectures.Again, we appreciate your patience and your interest in the lectures at Taps CON. Please remember NOT to reply to this message, as it will not be returned. Again, your registration request has been received! If we have additional questions for you, we will be in touch. If not, we will see you at Taps CON!
Best wishes,
Brent Fair Taps CON Founder
Enjoy
Dear VIP pass holder, Firstly, I would like to thank you for your interest in Taps CON and for deciding to purchase a VIP package. I hope your experience at Taps CON will be a memorable one! Secondly, I apologize to you personally, for the delay in confirming your seating for the VIP lectures. There was a minor issue with our email server and we are just now at the point of being able to respond to your request.I must state, we are a bit over the posted "70" requests for the "first come first serve" registrants. However, since we were unable to access our email account here, to gauge our capacity for the seating, we are honoring your request for a seat anyhow! As you know, there is a maximum capacity of 70 persons in the Belleair Amphitheater, which is why we limited the seating to 70. Since we are honoring over that amount, we are now expanding the VIP lecture area into the Candlelight Ballroom, which has seating capacity to accommodate our needs.VIP lectures will not be held solely in the Belleair Amphitheater now!This means we are adding more lectures to the schedule, to better round out your experience.Please know that by YOU receiving this email, that we have noted your request to have seats reserved. As the event gets closer, you will receive an additional email confirming the people that you have registered for lecture seating. If there are errors in our list, we will arrange telephone contact to you, to clear up any discrepancies.Additionally, we appreciate your understanding that this is our inaugural year for Taps CON and that we are in the process of LEARNING what work sand what doesn't. Clearly, the instructions on the web site (VIP page) area little confusing as to how to register for the lectures. We can assure you that next year, it will be less confusing and that auto-confirmation swill be given out upon registration for lectures.Again, we appreciate your patience and your interest in the lectures at Taps CON. Please remember NOT to reply to this message, as it will not be returned. Again, your registration request has been received! If we have additional questions for you, we will be in touch. If not, we will see you at Taps CON!
Best wishes,
Brent Fair Taps CON Founder
Saturday, January 19, 2008
Meeting Notice and MORE !!
Our Next Meeting will be on Sunday, Jan 27 at 7 PM at the offices of the Tampa Marketing Company at 1906 N. Armenia Ave. #207, in Tampa. Phone is 813-283-0760 should the building front door be locked.
Please be on time !
Football season will be almost over by then (Superbowl to go), Gasparilla will have been on the 26th (hope I am not too hungover) and it will be time to launch a full year of ghost hunting plans.
We will discuss a recent investigation and discuss TWO more coming in the next two weeks, with a follow up as well. So, there are lots of things about to happen.
For those of you that are Verizon FIOS subscribers in the Tampa Bay area, during the next 10 days you will be seeing extensive tv spots airing during almost every ghost/paranormal related show starting this Monday night through the end of January. Watch for the promotion of http://www.ghostseminars.com/ . The site will be totally live by late Monday afternoon before the first tv commercial runs. Please email me your thoughts.
The Dupont Registry recently mentioned our group as one of the Top Tampa Bay things to be involved in. They haven't seen anything yet, wait til they see what all we are doing in 2008 !
That is it above, but unfortunately you can't read it :(
But what it says is: Who You Gonna Call ? If you are the type that likes to shine a flashlight on things that go bump in the night - Tampa Ghost Watchers - a serious paranormal investigation team might be for you. .... If anyone has a copy of the publication, please bring it to the meeting.
See you soon !!!
Please be on time !
Football season will be almost over by then (Superbowl to go), Gasparilla will have been on the 26th (hope I am not too hungover) and it will be time to launch a full year of ghost hunting plans.
We will discuss a recent investigation and discuss TWO more coming in the next two weeks, with a follow up as well. So, there are lots of things about to happen.
For those of you that are Verizon FIOS subscribers in the Tampa Bay area, during the next 10 days you will be seeing extensive tv spots airing during almost every ghost/paranormal related show starting this Monday night through the end of January. Watch for the promotion of http://www.ghostseminars.com/ . The site will be totally live by late Monday afternoon before the first tv commercial runs. Please email me your thoughts.
The Dupont Registry recently mentioned our group as one of the Top Tampa Bay things to be involved in. They haven't seen anything yet, wait til they see what all we are doing in 2008 !
That is it above, but unfortunately you can't read it :(
But what it says is: Who You Gonna Call ? If you are the type that likes to shine a flashlight on things that go bump in the night - Tampa Ghost Watchers - a serious paranormal investigation team might be for you. .... If anyone has a copy of the publication, please bring it to the meeting.
See you soon !!!
Cassadaga Spiritual Weekend
Hi Everyone,
I just spoke to Steve of the Memphis Ghost Hunters about the Cassadaga Spiritual Weekend seminar on Feb.8-10 and he has two rooms left available. This seminar will give one the opportunity to tune your psychic ability and hopefully come in contact with your inner capability. We will also go on an investigation in Daytona Beach. If you still want to attend, he must have your confirmation by Jan. 25TH and payment by Jan.31ST.
I just spoke to Steve of the Memphis Ghost Hunters about the Cassadaga Spiritual Weekend seminar on Feb.8-10 and he has two rooms left available. This seminar will give one the opportunity to tune your psychic ability and hopefully come in contact with your inner capability. We will also go on an investigation in Daytona Beach. If you still want to attend, he must have your confirmation by Jan. 25TH and payment by Jan.31ST.
Friday, January 18, 2008
Belleview Biltmore
Hey Everyone,
As a few of you might know I am a Belleview Biltmore addict. My Mom is coming into town in February and I wanna drag her butt there.
I have been talking to the director of the Belleview Biltmore, Orlando Ghost tours and he is setting up an over night investigation for me on March 1st. The cost is usually $75 for the over night. It starts at 9pm and ends at 1am to 2am. If people get a room they allow 4 in a room and it lowers the cost of the investigation. The cost of the room is $200 for the first two people and $60 for the other two additional. The investigation is included in the cost of the room. So four people would be $320. I have never gone to the Biltmore without witnessing a lot of activity and would love to invite the group to join me. Anyone with questions can call me or Emilio. If you call Emilio directly let him know you got the information from Anna Marie so he will know what you are talking about. My number is 813-412-1747 and Emilio can be reached at(407) 247-0452. The event wont be on the web site until a few weeks before. I can assure you that it will happen.
Let me know what you think
Anna Marie
As a few of you might know I am a Belleview Biltmore addict. My Mom is coming into town in February and I wanna drag her butt there.
I have been talking to the director of the Belleview Biltmore, Orlando Ghost tours and he is setting up an over night investigation for me on March 1st. The cost is usually $75 for the over night. It starts at 9pm and ends at 1am to 2am. If people get a room they allow 4 in a room and it lowers the cost of the investigation. The cost of the room is $200 for the first two people and $60 for the other two additional. The investigation is included in the cost of the room. So four people would be $320. I have never gone to the Biltmore without witnessing a lot of activity and would love to invite the group to join me. Anyone with questions can call me or Emilio. If you call Emilio directly let him know you got the information from Anna Marie so he will know what you are talking about. My number is 813-412-1747 and Emilio can be reached at(407) 247-0452. The event wont be on the web site until a few weeks before. I can assure you that it will happen.
Let me know what you think
Anna Marie
Friday, January 4, 2008
MEETING - Sunday, Jan 6 - 7 PM
Meeting of the Tampa Ghost Watchers
Sunday, Jan 6, 7 PM
Location: Tampa Marketing Co. Offices
1906 N. Armenia Ave. #207, Tampa 813-283-0760
Agenda:
Investigation discussion
examining evidence
procedures
documentation
Upcoming events
Sunday, Jan 6, 7 PM
Location: Tampa Marketing Co. Offices
1906 N. Armenia Ave. #207, Tampa 813-283-0760
Agenda:
Investigation discussion
examining evidence
procedures
documentation
Upcoming events
Wednesday, January 2, 2008
Crop Circles
I dont know if any of you are into crop circles but I loved the pictures so I thought I would share them. Go to the first page and click on pictures.
Anna Marie
http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/millennium/
Anna Marie
http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/millennium/
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